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 Posted: Jun-14-2013 01:35AM
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I totally agree with everything you said, except for the last paragraph. The problem isn't the motor size, it's the various skill levels involved. It is ridiculous to expect anybody to go from rookie to open (experts and pros) and think there won't be any problems. It forces you drive beyond your capabities because you're trying to keep up with much more experienced drivers. It quickly discourages people to remain in the hobby because they are getting lapped multiple times and don't have the patience to put in the time necessary to be anywhere close to competitive. It's not about too much motor, it's about the lack of driving experience. You can hit plenty of pipes and screw up plenty of jumps with a 17.5 motor. This wouldn't be an issue if there was a sportsman class for 2wd buggy, 2wd SCT and 4wd SCT. At the club level, there are plenty of guys that should be considered expert drivers. Guys like Albano and Stark are your pro-level drivers. That's why it's called an "open" class. The experts and pros are combined. I raced bicycles for 10 years and did martial arts tournaments for 6 years. Both sports are successful because there are different levels of competition. Can you imagine a white belt and black belt sparring against each other? That wouldn't be pretty.

 Posted: Jun-13-2013 11:16PM
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No matter the class, this layout isn't built for speed except on the straight and sweeper. Many folks are learning how not to pull the trigger all the way, or need to learn that. I fully admit that I drive way overpowered, but I also don't generally pull the trigger indoors, even down the straight. Being a tight course, folks are more likely to bunch up, which of course causes multiple car issues as soon as somebody slides out or doesn't brake hard enough. As veteran racers we can race clean anyway and try to help those we see having these problems. This is club racing, and is for fun and learning. The biggest issue though is respect. Even when I was in the lead I didn't plow through other trucks, and if I were to take one out, I still try to wait. However, many show they don't respect other racers, the track, the race program, nor the announcer, when they drive through somebody or cut the track and don't wait. Racers need to respect each other enough to race properly, or they should stick to practice time on the track. Note that yelling at others, storming off the stand, not marshaling, and not watching the section one is in charge of marshalling are all also the issue of respect, and also against race rules.

As for sportsman classes, I don't personally think they should exist for mod classes except 4wd SC, as all the other classes have a (sportsman) stock class 17.5 motor to learn in before jumping to mod.

 Posted: Jun-13-2013 10:42PM
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Mod buggy (sportsman and expert/open) should have been a separate class too, but classes need to be combined on Wednesdays or there will be too many races and we'll never get out of there. As it was, we didn't finish up until midnight, which is pretty late.

I think the track was overwatered last night and that dragged out the evening a little, but that's a whole different subject.

As for corner marshaling, it's a relatively new layout, so there's going to be a few more crashes until everybody becomes familiar with it. Even then, it's pretty technical and with that you're going to get more crashes.

 Posted: Jun-13-2013 10:32PM
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Well said Dave. And I am looking forward to those chicken sandwiches next week!

 Posted: Jun-13-2013 10:26PM
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Your wrong Nick. "3 makes a class" and every wednesday we have 3 people that would rather battle with eachother than dealing with hack drivers every lap.

I couldn't agree with you more Josh. I left fuming last night.


 
 
 
 
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 Posted: Jun-13-2013 10:03PM
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it's a tough problem:

there exist people with inadequate skill for the speed and class. to make it better, we have 17.5t stock class, and sportsman class, B-main to give these a place to learn and adapt to.

however, apparently there isn't enough people in 4wd buggy (and 4wd SCT) to split into two classes right now...

 Posted: Jun-13-2013 10:03PM
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Yeah, last nights 4wd SC and buggy mains were the worst hack fests I can remember to date. I haven't broke my K1 since new 6 months ago. First break last night though. Had everyone at least a lap down and got drilled by an out of control lapper, broke front shock shaft, game over. :(

The quals in 4wd buggy were perfect, but there were just too many in the main. I think it is time for a sportsman 4wd buggy, we have enough folks racing now. Or at the very least a spotter for Tony calling stop and goes. He has too much to do as announcer with a packed track, so I don't blame him for missing stuff. He just needs a helper.

Mixing sportsman in with experts in 4wd SC is another nightmare, but at least they are more durable than 4wd buggies.

Norcal folks, short of folks like Steve and I making blatant examples of proper track edicate, what can be done about this mess as of late? Drivers meetings aren't working and enforcement of proper driving edicate is non existent. If rookies are sticking around to watch the experts mains they certainly aren't seeing good examples set for them on edicate or what to expect if you drive like a douche repercussion wise. Something has to change, it's out of control. Myself and others I am sure are down to help however we can. Let us know how to help.

 Posted: Jun-13-2013 09:25PM
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Hacking has been a major issue when there is lack of proper enforcement and driver edicate. Ladesma took me out twice and bombed off and the announcer was no where to be heard from. If you whipe somebody out you stop. Ladesma just says "sorry I don't brake" apperantly..lmfao!

 
 
 
 
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 Posted: Jun-13-2013 09:10PM
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Fun night of racing for me last night - first time racing #3 classes in the same night for me . Congrats to All the winners !

On a different note ----- I Rarely Post anything negative about any track --- BUT last night there was lots of Yelling on the drivers stand about racers that are being lapped or hacking --- it was so bad I finally mentioned to the racer next to me to turn it down . I am here to race and have fun -- not listening to racers yelling at each other .

I personally had one of the worst hacks --- then a corning job that was so Bad that Josh even mentioned to me after the race that was one of the worst he had ever seen --- and all I did was look at the corner marshal and mumble as I lost 6 places on one hack .

As Rodney King said --- Can't we all just get along ?

Looking forward to next Wed. night already ---- I had lots of Requests for BBQ Chicken sandwiches next week ---- so I will have them and some Jumbo Hot Dogs before racing starts at 7 p.m. --- Dave K aka Chef Dave

                     

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 Posted: Jun-13-2013 08:29PM
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So how is Saturday looking?

 

 

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 Posted: Jun-12-2013 02:55PM
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 Posted: Jun-11-2013 09:31PM
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Aaron is correct on tires. The new x2 compound is classified as a "sugar tire" now however, its a medium compound. AKA makes a blue compound but is only really available for team drivers and 8th scale tires.

I will not have my vehicles see that surface until major work is performed on the outdoor track, just not worth it to put my vehicles through it IMO.

The track needs to be sugared even more, if you want to play outdoors be prepared to wear tire. If I get 1 full day on a tire that's great!

A very good choice for indoor tires is the new aka handlebars in super soft, you can find them for all vehicles.


 
 
 
 
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 Posted: Jun-11-2013 08:46PM
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For Panther tires you would want to be on red compund rattlers and red compound front bobcats. For the rear tires trim out the inner ribs within the tire as it will give more side bite and is more consistant.

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 Posted: Jun-11-2013 08:24PM
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Anyone running any soft tires on the outdoor track has the wrong tires on. If the track is dry, you should run one of the following:

1. Losi BK bar rear (red) with Silver taper pin (front) 2. J Concepts rear Bar Code V1 or V2 in orange and front bar code (also in orange) 3. Proline - Most likely a Suburbs 2.0 tire in MX or X2 compound 4. AKA - Not quite sure. 5. Panther - Not quite sure

 

 

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 Posted: Jun-11-2013 08:21PM
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My comments.....Yes, your tires will go bald quicker on the sugared track. That is true. However, high traction is much more enjoyable than low traction. You can get more traction with bald tires on a sugared track than you would ever get running on the current indoor track. That's my 2 cents. I know there are several racers that race 2wd buggies that won't even go back if the outdoor track isn't maintained....that's been the story the last 2 months or so. I would highly suggest maintaining the outdoor track if you want a better turnout...or at least from the veteran racers that know what good traction is versus low/week surfaces.

 

 

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 Posted: Jun-11-2013 07:16PM
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so hope other manufacturers can come up with same compound then. I got several sets of jconcepts super soft barcode before, direct 0.5-1s per lap difference.

for front, it's a bit about personal preference, plus it wears out so slow, I only have tried a very few of them. By far I found proline super soft suburb working best for me. Though it's the only pair of super soft front I've tried, and the indoor track is so tire friendly it still haven't wear out yet.

 Posted: Jun-11-2013 06:51PM
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Good luck on HB Beam tires. HB is not going to be around to long or have tires for indoor. Time to use another tire.

 Posted: Jun-11-2013 06:26PM
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Like I said, I ordered tires yesterday. :^(

What front tire works with the pink Beams?


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 Posted: Jun-11-2013 03:13PM
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Sugar track eats tire a bit too fast. My set of orange barcode (compound for high temp blue groove track), barely survived 3 race days on a 17.5t buggy. It's pretty much bald in the main, and can't survive any dirt spot.

Then if it's not sugared, all 2wd will suffer.

Plus, the sugar track is kind of expensive for them to maintain, too. Fixing pod holes...

@Atteberry, if you are getting tires for 2wd buggy, wait a few days and get the hot bodies pink beams (buggy rear tire). Best tire indoor and last very long indoors as well. Sold out country wide for a while and tower shows they will be back in stock mid June. Guess same everywhere else then.

 Posted: Jun-11-2013 02:37PM
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I just noticed that the schedule says indoor racing starting on the 22nd. I wish I had seen that yesterday before I ordered more tires for the outdoor track. I assume that 1/8th will still be run on those days. Are we just taking a break for a month or two and then moving back outdoors?

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