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 Posted: Feb-21-2014 12:01PM
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A bigger issue IMO is some of the drivers don't have great spatial awareness, or they get tunnel vision, whichever. Which cause issues like corner marshals having to duck and dodge when trying to clear pile-ups in the middle of the track. As a driver, no matter where you drive, full scale, RC, whatever, in sections where a crash has happened, you SLOW DOWN. I don't care if you are in the lead or last place, you will keep that spot if everyone is respectful and slows down when marshals are trying to clear things up on the track.

It should be like touring car racing; at that section of the track if there is a wreck on the road, you slow down and there is no passing allowed in that section until you get to a clear part of the track. It just seems like the smart thing to do.

We have had issues with marshals getting hit because drivers are not fully aware of what is going on in front of their car. Agreed, marshals need to be fully aware as well, but a lot of these issues can be avoided with the driver being aware as they have a better view compared to the marshal who might have their back turned while running after another car.

Just my opinion, feel free to rip on it.

 Posted: Feb-21-2014 11:57AM
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 Posted: Feb-21-2014 11:54AM
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Nizzles they DO eat up the indoor clay dirt track. You have no clue or facts for your arguments basing on the racing you saw outdoors on an 8th scale track. They are still 8th scale buggies and in an indoor environment they can cause nothing but problems.

The class is dumb and I hope its dead before it even gets started. Go run your 8th vehicles outside where they belong.


 Posted: Feb-21-2014 11:49AM
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Look you have 3 options. 1. If you don't have it on 2s then your not going to run the car. 2. Drive it on an 8th scale track where it belongs. 3. Find another 10th vehicle to race and quit crying about it.

It's a MAJOR liability for the cars on 4s. 4x4sc is a major problem as it is.


 Posted: Feb-21-2014 11:48AM
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I think your view of "track damage" is over exaggerated. There are allot of tracks that run eBuggy and 1/10 cars and they don't have any problems about excessive track damage causing people to leave the local racing scene in droves.

Now, if you want to talk about track damage with multiple 30 min mains for Nitro 1/8 scale buggies and truggies, then yeah, I'll buy that.

"I also think the industry struggles because the core classes aren't promoted and things like E lite buggy are promoted." Sorry, my friend, ALL RC is created equal and ALL RC should be promoted, not just the select elite few who "pay" to race on a pristine surface... lol.

 Posted: Feb-21-2014 11:42AM
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Attebery??? LOL JK Chris

 

Everything I am talking about here is for indoor 8th scale e buggy racing.  It has nothing to do with people buying them to race outdoors on giant tracks.

Get one and go bananas outdoors!

Either way, Eric is going to let you run it.  So have fun!  Don't kill anyone.

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 Posted: Feb-21-2014 11:39AM
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"Not many people that get those sort of vehicles can drive them or shouldn't be driving them."

Really? I did quite a bit of eBuggy racing at Norcal (and many other tracks) over the last couple years, before they moved of course. But every driver I saw out there was more than capable and competent. Most times I was getting my butt handed to me from guys like Attebery and Hemmingway. But I NEVER saw anyone who was out of control, causing mayhem or being irresponsible in a way that would lead to injuring someone else be they a turn marshal or spectator.

 Posted: Feb-21-2014 11:37AM
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Not upset, just gave you an opinion.  I just know that 50 + guys pay to race on a nice surface, and I know the track guys work hard to achieve that surface.  To have 4 or 5 guys come out and mess that surface up because they want to run a fring class for a couple weeks, sucks for the rest of us that paid that money for that surface.  I see less people race because a track gets destroyed.  You loose racers, you loose money.  My attitude is not lowsy.  Like I said I pay to race there for a reason, because of things like track conditions. 

I think the track crew should have the decision. They have to fix the track and continue the upkeep.

I also think the industry struggles because the core classes aren't promoted and things like E lite buggy are promoted.  All these people spend double the money to get one of those going for the class to die out.  Promote the core classes, get a stadium truck, or a buggy.  Always full heats, people to race against, and a track designed for that car.  Also the racing struggles because of track conditions.  I guess 10th scale guys are premadonnas of sorts but I know more racers show up to nicer, well kept tracks, with great traction and a smooth surface, and a nice layout. 

I've heard it a million times, the dirt sucks, the tracks bumpy, theres no traction, im never coming back.  Then slowly you loose a race program, which in my opinion generates a good chunk of change. 

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 Posted: Feb-21-2014 11:27AM
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The issue is not about battery or motor or gearing or weight. Numerous people have all kinds of setups and can show power to weight being comparable across cars.

The issue is about the track and the turn marshals. I'm more than happy to NOT practice with OTHER 1/10 scale cars, as long as I can have some designated practice time too

Turn marshals should be of certain stature, size, age, maturity and willingness. How many turn marshals needed for an eBuggy race, maybe 4? So with all these 1/10 scale drivers, not 4 or 5 can put their "perturbness" aside for another fellow racer?

What I don't think is fair, is for people who drive 1/10 scale to get upset at eBuggy drivers that they "are going to mess up my track". Really? This is such a lowsy attitude to have. I've been in this hobby for almost 30 years and the RC industry struggles enough as it is for gaining popularity and growth.

It is my belief, that the responsibility lies with the local track owners to "encourage" reasonable and fair guidelines for track use and marshaling this class without bias, and without restrictions that basically close the class down.

 Posted: Feb-21-2014 11:26AM
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No hatred, I don't own, work, or have anything to do with norcal other than it being my home track.  Just speaking from what I hear from most people. I have plenty of tolerance, just going from what my experience's have been.  Not many people that get those sort of vehicles can drive them or shouldn't be driving them. 

 

You could also just get a 10th scale car,come out and have fun without all the concerns that are arising as of late with the E lite class. 

I also dont think the track lanes are wide enough for 8th scale cars to race.  Passing would be difficult, crashing, hacking, wrecking would be very prevelant.

 

Bring your 8th e out! Go play, have fun.  Nobody ever said you couldn'T!

 

 

 

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 Posted: Feb-21-2014 11:24AM
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Ahhh, this forum. Same as it ever was.

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 Posted: Feb-21-2014 11:14AM
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I'll chime in....since I am a big proponent of ebuggy lite., and since I have mixed feeling on the subject.  My mugen mbx6 eco with a 3500mah 4s and Tekin T8i 1900kv weighs 6.9 lbs.  It's on the heavy side compared to a MIP Pro 8 or a Tekno SCT410 converted to ebuggy lite.  It is a lot of power.  Tons of power in fact.  But it is not faster than my Hobbywing 4700kv was with a 7000mah 2s lipo.  And the 2s setup weighed 6.8lbs.  I will tell you what though, my Tekin T8i 1900kv comes off the track at 135 degrees after an 8 minute main.  And the battery is barely above ambient temps, and the esc fan is not even coming on.  Whereas with my 2s setup, the motor came off at 150, the esc was thermalling, and the lipos were puffing.  It makes all the sense in the world to run a higher voltage lower kv setup.

Now as for safety, that is up to each track to decide for themself.  I can't fault Nor Cal one bit for their decision to limit the class to 2s because of the fact that these vehicles, just like 4wd sct rigs, are heavy and potentially dangerous in the wrong hands.  On a small indoor track they are fast, large and heavy.  They are not a danger to the track, they are potentially a danger to the corner marshalls though.  The last thing I would want to see is someone to get hurt.  So each track owner/operator has to make decisions about this class that they are comfortable with, and the race directors need to be comfortable telling people that they can't run the class if they are unable to control the vehicle.

My thoughts....the class is fun!  But it needs to be closely controlled as to who runs it, otherwise the class is going to die quicker than it started.

Do 2wd guys have a bias against this class?  I would if I ran 2wd buggy.  Honestly, if an ebuggy lite plows into a 2wd buggy during practice the 2wd is not going to come out in one piece.  Us ebuggy lite guys have to be ultra respectful of every one else at the track.  Otherwise the class will not last...

 

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 Posted: Feb-21-2014 11:05AM
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so its not about 2S vs 4S then... a 4S in parallel would still be 2S, just longer run time.

simply put, Norcal Hobbies doesn't want an eBuggy lite class, period. Your post just affirmed that. Instead of being "perturbed" try having some tolerance, and "let" other local racers have some fun, & show their responsibility driving their car on the track, even if it's not a 1/10 scale.. geez, try not to have so much hatred.

Furthermore, I would be MORE than willing to help with track maintenance. I have owned tracks myself in the past, and have pretty good experience building and maintaining them

 Posted: Feb-21-2014 11:01AM
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ya chewing up our track.  Unfortunately we don't have the tire diameter of an eighth scale so the chewing up the track will effect us drastically, but not have much of an impact on an 8th scale car. 

 

Attitude of a local race?  Since norcal runs 10th scale primarliy at the moment with 10 + heats a night, of course we are going to be a little perturbed when 1 small class of 8th scale goes out and destroys the surface that 10 other heats are racing on. 

Not to mention marshalling this class is going to be a nightmare.  Im not being selfish just thinking of all the racers that come out and run 10th scale regularly.  To allow a few guys to run ebuggy and damage the track does more good then bad.  Not to mention the work the track maintenance guys have to do to keep the surface in decent shape for 10th scale vehicles.

 

 

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 Posted: Feb-21-2014 10:58AM
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 Posted: Feb-21-2014 10:50AM
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It's not too much power when using the right motor or geared correctly.

Weight has come down allot on my eBuggy, more graphite parts, milled out allot of plastic, and running shorty packs with a light/smaller motor. The car is very light, and so qualifies as an "eBuggy Lite". Will be racing it 3 hours away at Amain hobbies as well.

sounds like just o'bunch of ol'crony 1/10 scale bias ... seems the only REAL issue is the FEAR of "chewing up" your precious track...

This isn't the first track to try and race eBuggies indoors, allot of tracks all over the US are doing this.. the only difference is the attitude of the local racers.

 Posted: Feb-21-2014 10:43AM
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wayyyy too much power, even geared correctly.  Why would you want to run a 4s on a tiny indoor track. Its supposed to be an Ebuggy Lites class, not a full blown e buggie.  You all should have to run SC conversions on 2 cell, with 4 pole sc motors.  Big ol 8th scales are gonna chew the track up with all that weight. 

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 Posted: Feb-21-2014 10:20AM
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Why is 2S the "new" rule for eBuggy? Some cars like the Serpent or Sworkz, don't offer a 2S capability on their chassis's because they have 2 battery trays, not 1.

Why can't 4S on a 1600 or 1700 motor that is geared correctly be acceptable? These cars have been running 4S on smaller motors, INDOORS for years. I know it's been said previously, BUT, 4S is easier on the electronics for not getting burned out.

I have read the rules that were posted here earlier over the last several days, AND subsequently, went out and bought a 1600 motor, AND dual 2S shorty packs... just so I can come race at the NEW Norcal!! Would it be acceptable to run a 4S setup in parallel instead of series?

I strongly think the rules need to allow for 4S so this class CAN grow, AND so Norcal Hobbies can continue to flourish it's business... If I can come race there, starting with eBuggy, I would probably GROW into other classes, like 4wd buggy, or *gasp* stadium truck!

 Posted: Feb-20-2014 09:52PM
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HB Pinks or Gold Barcodes are working best. But even tires you wouldn't think would work are like X2s. Folks always use AKA reds, but since the track is a little bumpy in spots I find that dual stage rear and open cell front work best for my buggies.

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