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 Posted: Aug-14-2012 07:20PM
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I love the new lay out. Can't wait for sat nie

 

Team Schumacher USA 

 Posted: Aug-14-2012 07:17PM
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Tony.....it's about people paying attention and kids not getting hurt. I can't expect a 10 year old kid or even younger to Pay attention as much as an adult or and experienced driver. Even if he is overweight and gout ridden, which take I take personally. If your going to be a smart ass then it might be better to keep quiet.

I dont move as fast as I used to, but I pay attention. I'm also looking out for track management. The last thing I would hate to see is some idiot parent that allowed their 6 year old on the track to sue the track because they wernt watching out for them.

This should be taken seriously. Every track has rules, they need to be respected. I also agree with Doug about the drivers meeting. Always a great idea.

 

Team Schumacher USA 

 Posted: Aug-14-2012 07:12PM
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Lots of good input here guys thanks. We plan to have a quick drivers meeting before racing starts next time. We will go over the importance of cornering and some quick safety guidelines. We are going to strictly enforce the rule that you must corner marshall after you race. We have some racers that run back to back or multiple classes and rely on us to find people to cover for them which holds up the program. If you can't manage to run 3 classes and marshal after EVERY one then please do not run 3 classes.

Our main concern is safety. We have let a few things slide that maybe we shouldn't. Open toed shoes are not allowed anywhere on or around the track. Its fine in the pits. If you come to race in sandals I hope you also bring someone to corner for you.

As far as speed or ability of the corner marshals goes there is always going to be a wide range. Even the worlds fastest corner marshal is not as fast as NOT crashing. Everyone must remember that if you need to be marshalled then you already have a problem. I know that its not always your own fault but there is no need to rely on them to win a race or tq.

Yelling to get a marshals attention if he/she is looking at the stars or can't see your car in between jumps, etc. may be ok but it needs to be civil and not cussing or screaming. Yelling because he or she is not as fast as you'd like them to be or yelling .5 seconds after you flip over is not going to fly. The flip side would be to please pay attention and give your best effort while marshaling. Always remember that we are adults and we should be setting good examples for the kids and newer racers.

Any other issues regarding marshaling or cornering please bring them up to me this weekend at the track and we will discuss them in person and do our best to find a solution.

On a different not how did everyone like the new layout? I liked it and thought it was a nice change. Watching Atondo whip his scte around was SICK!

 

 

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 Posted: Aug-14-2012 06:44PM
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This is both about safety and learning to be there for your fellow racer as you would like them to be there for you.

I think kids should be with an adult to show him how to do it. Not bashing the kids at all, some are just too eager & run on to the track without looking. Some are throwing rocks and not paying attention. Some are experienced racers who just dont care.

If you are injured or have the gout and can not get to a car as fast as you would like others to respond to yours. You have no business cornering!!!!!!!!! Ask for someone to cover for you.

I really dont think anyone should be expected to do any more or less than they would want done for them.

I agree with BadBoy, The last thing we need is more rules. Lets just follow the ones we already have.

 Posted: Aug-14-2012 06:25PM
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All I / We can do is offer to help more with the marshalling even when its not your/My turn to marshall. 

 
 Posted: Aug-14-2012 04:17PM
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Is this about safety or how fast the kids get to your car? If the latter can we do the same for overweight, senior, and drivers with a bad case of gout? All of them would get to our cars a little slower like the kids.

How about when the parents sign the rules forms that we have a volunteer performing a physical fitness test on each driver. Maybe make sure they can run 10 feet pick up a tire and return to the starting spot in 3 seconds. If not they need to find a qualified turn Marshall to sub for them too.

 Posted: Aug-14-2012 04:11PM
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@Steve I think the idea of reading a basic large print rule sheet is a great idea.

@ Doug your idea of the drivers meeting and an experienced racer for a q&a session cool too.

It's annoying when people have concerns without solutions,you guys seem to have good solutions.

 Posted: Aug-14-2012 03:27PM
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Kraig/Hopper,

I would suggest that when kids are signed up for rookie class that the adult with them sign a rules form which they receive a copy of stipulating that they are responsible for their childs behavior and the adult will turn marshall. Maybe release of liability form for the track.

 

Team Schumacher USA 

 Posted: Aug-14-2012 02:14PM
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Great idea....but I'm still gonna beat you Saturday ! Actually I should have said again! Lol

 

Team Schumacher USA 

 Posted: Aug-14-2012 02:01PM
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I know Kraig & Hopper have there hands full preping the track getting the heats set and all the other stuff that goes with racing.

I propose that we make a list of the things to be talked about at the drivers meeting. Kind of a cheat sheet.

Each race night a senior experienced racer will be selected and do the drivers meeting.

This would be good for some of the newer guys to learn how things work & ask any questions. This would also a good time to ask if there is any newbys and make them feel welcome.

I would be willing to help in any way.

 Posted: Aug-14-2012 01:53PM
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Think it might be time to start having a drivers meeting before we race. All of us long time racers know what we are supposed to do. Some of the rookies do not!

Lots of reverse being used on the track. Some of the rookies dont realize that all cars do not have reverse. My car was stuck on the pipe for a very long time, with the marshall inches from it but not touching it. I had to let him know that I could not back away from it. Yes I shouted but I was that or go corner it myself. This is an example of yelling for a marshall and not AT him.

Marshalls should know that a buggy can not just barrel over stuff like a short course does.

 Posted: Aug-14-2012 12:37PM
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When it comes to kids cornering don't get me started I had a corner cost me a race and a 80 dollar servo!! Haha lol classic but friggen disgusting at same time!!!! There I'm done ranting!!!

 Posted: Aug-14-2012 10:18AM
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The kids in rookie should never have to corner any of the really fast classes. Maybe move them so that they corner like 17.5 buggy.

My kid is 11 and I feel pretty safe having him corner. When were racing I tell him to never turn your back to the track, wait till its clear before going after a car, and always know whats around you. Oh... I also tell him if someone is yelling at him to not bother with that car or its cry baby driver. YES... there is a difference in yelling "at" and "yelling to help them" so I agree.

Parents are where it starts. Parents need to educate their kids as well as others about safety while on the track. I have also seen kids, small kids going out cornering for their lazy parent. Yes, yall can be lazy! Im out cornering my race and theres little ones out there. One time a kid just kept trying to play. Play so much he chased me during a race with a stick of MUD and eventually wiped it on my leg!

Random kids also end up on the track just because its easy access and nobody is going to tell them "NO". Ive seen Hopper out there telling some kids they couldnt be out there but I dont remember if that was practice or race.

Oh and when I crash im prolly the last person to yell at anyone. Its my fault I crashed and im happy and appreciate you flipping my car back over, thanks!

 

 

 

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 Posted: Aug-14-2012 09:48AM
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As you all know I crash often! and I rely on good turn marshalling to keep my lap times consistent. LOL. Looking forward to my lap times improving. 

 
 Posted: Aug-14-2012 09:38AM
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Agreed

 

Team Schumacher USA 

 Posted: Aug-14-2012 09:29AM
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Yeah there is clearly a difference between yelling to get their attention and abusing, I don't think I've seen many marshalls get abused.

My point is that in my class there are a number of drivers that appear to start yelling as soon as they crash and not only is it distracting, its also getting annoying. The CONSTANT yelling needs to stop as a courtesy to the other drivers on the stand.

 Posted: Aug-14-2012 09:00AM
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I agree about yelling at turn Marshall's. I think alot of this is in frustration because turn Marshall's including veterans are watching the race instead of marshalling their section. Especially around the fenced areas and in deep valleys of the two big jumps. I will yell at a turn Marshall to get my car when it is obviously ignored or them being completely unaware the car I there. However that is different than abusing the Marshall, I'm not yelling at him ...just getting his attention.

I see some drivers that will yell out even when the turn Marshall is attentive and obviously getting the car.

It's never goingto be perfect. I wish I was perfect and never needed a turn Marshall, but we all know my skills, but they need to pay attention.

 

Team Schumacher USA 

 Posted: Aug-14-2012 08:03AM
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"also not yelliing at turn marshal during their race. which should be zero tolerance."

I agree. It is very distracting on the drivers stand when the driver next to you is yelling at the turn marshalls or even walking in circles huffing and puffing every time he crashes. Or putting his hands out and shaking his radio in your peripheral.

It is ok to be intense and serious about your racing, but I don't think there are many of us doing it for a living. Some of the behavior that is tolerated on the drivers stand has a tendency to impede on other's enjoyment of the sport.

 Posted: Aug-14-2012 07:04AM
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+1 on enforcing the "parent ' marshalling rule

                                                                    

 

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 Posted: Aug-14-2012 07:00AM
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A few things about turn marshalling..  not singling out delta  but all tracks in general.

ALL new racers and sportsman racers should go through a track orientation more than once..  which includes

How to Turn Marshall, which should include safety rules. No open toe shoes,

also not yelliing at turn marshal during their race.  which should be zero tolerance.

How to race qualifying

How to race in races  

Battery Handling and charging methods

Smoking and drinking courtesy

 

A point about beginner/novice/kids turnmarshalling.

Adults and teens only should be allowed on the track to turn marshall  If you are under 14 or under 100 lbs.. have your parents cover your corner.  that should be zero tolerance there. 

All we need is a kid to lose and eye or break a leg.  the you will hear that parent screaming. 

All you parents we want you to bring your kids to the track and have fun and learn RC  ..  but as a caution to not have any injuries.. please marshall for your kids.  

I saw a kid marshalling a nitro race  a few weeks back.. he grabbed a car and got burned the was so shocked he almost got hit by a nitro truggy as he was wandering around whincing

Do us all a favor and use some common sense.. we don't need anymore rules..

 

 

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