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 Posted: Aug-14-2012 04:11PM
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@Steve I think the idea of reading a basic large print rule sheet is a great idea.

@ Doug your idea of the drivers meeting and an experienced racer for a q&a session cool too.

It's annoying when people have concerns without solutions,you guys seem to have good solutions.

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 Posted: Aug-14-2012 03:27PM
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Kraig/Hopper,

I would suggest that when kids are signed up for rookie class that the adult with them sign a rules form which they receive a copy of stipulating that they are responsible for their childs behavior and the adult will turn marshall. Maybe release of liability form for the track.

 

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 Posted: Aug-14-2012 02:14PM
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Great idea....but I'm still gonna beat you Saturday ! Actually I should have said again! Lol

 

Team Schumacher USA 

 Posted: Aug-14-2012 02:01PM
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I know Kraig & Hopper have there hands full preping the track getting the heats set and all the other stuff that goes with racing.

I propose that we make a list of the things to be talked about at the drivers meeting. Kind of a cheat sheet.

Each race night a senior experienced racer will be selected and do the drivers meeting.

This would be good for some of the newer guys to learn how things work & ask any questions. This would also a good time to ask if there is any newbys and make them feel welcome.

I would be willing to help in any way.

 Posted: Aug-14-2012 01:53PM
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Think it might be time to start having a drivers meeting before we race. All of us long time racers know what we are supposed to do. Some of the rookies do not!

Lots of reverse being used on the track. Some of the rookies dont realize that all cars do not have reverse. My car was stuck on the pipe for a very long time, with the marshall inches from it but not touching it. I had to let him know that I could not back away from it. Yes I shouted but I was that or go corner it myself. This is an example of yelling for a marshall and not AT him.

Marshalls should know that a buggy can not just barrel over stuff like a short course does.

 Posted: Aug-14-2012 12:37PM
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When it comes to kids cornering don't get me started I had a corner cost me a race and a 80 dollar servo!! Haha lol classic but friggen disgusting at same time!!!! There I'm done ranting!!!

 Posted: Aug-14-2012 10:18AM
 Edited:  Aug-13-2012 11:00PM
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The kids in rookie should never have to corner any of the really fast classes. Maybe move them so that they corner like 17.5 buggy.

My kid is 11 and I feel pretty safe having him corner. When were racing I tell him to never turn your back to the track, wait till its clear before going after a car, and always know whats around you. Oh... I also tell him if someone is yelling at him to not bother with that car or its cry baby driver. YES... there is a difference in yelling "at" and "yelling to help them" so I agree.

Parents are where it starts. Parents need to educate their kids as well as others about safety while on the track. I have also seen kids, small kids going out cornering for their lazy parent. Yes, yall can be lazy! Im out cornering my race and theres little ones out there. One time a kid just kept trying to play. Play so much he chased me during a race with a stick of MUD and eventually wiped it on my leg!

Random kids also end up on the track just because its easy access and nobody is going to tell them "NO". Ive seen Hopper out there telling some kids they couldnt be out there but I dont remember if that was practice or race.

Oh and when I crash im prolly the last person to yell at anyone. Its my fault I crashed and im happy and appreciate you flipping my car back over, thanks!

 

 

 

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 Posted: Aug-14-2012 09:48AM
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As you all know I crash often! and I rely on good turn marshalling to keep my lap times consistent. LOL. Looking forward to my lap times improving. 

 
 Posted: Aug-14-2012 09:38AM
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Agreed

 

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 Posted: Aug-14-2012 09:29AM
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Yeah there is clearly a difference between yelling to get their attention and abusing, I don't think I've seen many marshalls get abused.

My point is that in my class there are a number of drivers that appear to start yelling as soon as they crash and not only is it distracting, its also getting annoying. The CONSTANT yelling needs to stop as a courtesy to the other drivers on the stand.

 Posted: Aug-14-2012 09:00AM
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I agree about yelling at turn Marshall's. I think alot of this is in frustration because turn Marshall's including veterans are watching the race instead of marshalling their section. Especially around the fenced areas and in deep valleys of the two big jumps. I will yell at a turn Marshall to get my car when it is obviously ignored or them being completely unaware the car I there. However that is different than abusing the Marshall, I'm not yelling at him ...just getting his attention.

I see some drivers that will yell out even when the turn Marshall is attentive and obviously getting the car.

It's never goingto be perfect. I wish I was perfect and never needed a turn Marshall, but we all know my skills, but they need to pay attention.

 

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 Posted: Aug-14-2012 08:03AM
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"also not yelliing at turn marshal during their race. which should be zero tolerance."

I agree. It is very distracting on the drivers stand when the driver next to you is yelling at the turn marshalls or even walking in circles huffing and puffing every time he crashes. Or putting his hands out and shaking his radio in your peripheral.

It is ok to be intense and serious about your racing, but I don't think there are many of us doing it for a living. Some of the behavior that is tolerated on the drivers stand has a tendency to impede on other's enjoyment of the sport.

 Posted: Aug-14-2012 07:04AM
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+1 on enforcing the "parent ' marshalling rule

                                                                    

 

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 Posted: Aug-14-2012 07:00AM
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A few things about turn marshalling..  not singling out delta  but all tracks in general.

ALL new racers and sportsman racers should go through a track orientation more than once..  which includes

How to Turn Marshall, which should include safety rules. No open toe shoes,

also not yelliing at turn marshal during their race.  which should be zero tolerance.

How to race qualifying

How to race in races  

Battery Handling and charging methods

Smoking and drinking courtesy

 

A point about beginner/novice/kids turnmarshalling.

Adults and teens only should be allowed on the track to turn marshall  If you are under 14 or under 100 lbs.. have your parents cover your corner.  that should be zero tolerance there. 

All we need is a kid to lose and eye or break a leg.  the you will hear that parent screaming. 

All you parents we want you to bring your kids to the track and have fun and learn RC  ..  but as a caution to not have any injuries.. please marshall for your kids.  

I saw a kid marshalling a nitro race  a few weeks back.. he grabbed a car and got burned the was so shocked he almost got hit by a nitro truggy as he was wandering around whincing

Do us all a favor and use some common sense.. we don't need anymore rules..

 

 

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 Posted: Aug-14-2012 05:37AM
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How about no open toe shoes when corner marshalling? Saw a guy in flip flops cornering last week.

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 Posted: Aug-13-2012 07:34PM
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Never heard that policy. Either way I'd have no problems cornering for my kid.

 Posted: Aug-13-2012 07:22PM
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Its been our policy that parents have to corner for their kids for quite a while now. Of course the parents keep sending their young kids out to corner and we have not been enforcing it much. It really stumps me how people can send their very young kids out to corner while they themselves are perfectly able and not doing anything at the time. I don't have kids though so I guess I dunno.

I agree however that not only is it potentially dangerous, it often can lead to a car being on its lid a little longer than usual. I'll speak to Kraig this week and we will tighten up on our own policy. Thank you all for bringing it up so we can address it asap.

As a parent we really need you guys to step up and marshal for your kids. I volunteer marshaled about 8 or 9 heats last Saturday night in order to keep the program moving fast. You can certainly do it for your own kids safety. Thank you for your help.

Hopper

 

 

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 Posted: Aug-13-2012 06:49PM
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As a parent, when my boy (9yrs) has to corner I always point out the parts of the track where I do not want him cornering. There are some safer spots for kids to corner and I don't ever recall my kid having to corner 4wd SCT at Delta or NorCal.

On the new layout, the kids should definitely stay out of the middle, on the back fence behind the new jump and at the end of the front straight.

 Posted: Aug-13-2012 05:54PM
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I agree about the kids. I almost hit a kid that couldn't have been more than 5 years old on the end of straight a way. I think everyone is frustrated with the kids turn marshalling. I think the parent and or adult the child is with should be out there, not the child. Too much liability in them getting hurt. These cars fly ...someone is going to get nailed. Many tracks state that, no children on the track turn marshaling. The adult must do it.

 

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 Posted: Aug-13-2012 05:40PM
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I agree way to much chance of someone getting hurt. Probably would be a good idea for any kids to have a parent corner for or with them.

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