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 Posted: Jul-09-2012 10:06PM
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Im sorry kevin i had to read it about 5 times and I'm still not sure I completely get it. Your average racer who may be running 2 or even 3 classes would have a hard time keeping up with all of this. Believe me when I say that this is much harder to organize/direct than a typical race. There is no way to do this with the timing software and would require the race director to tally a lot of things by hand and slow the program down.

As far as track time goes we have been running 2 rounds and getting done around 11-11:30 ish. We already are starting 1 hour earlier than last summer. Back in the day it was 3, 4 or 5 minute heats and a 5 minute main. So 17 or 20 minutes. Now its 2 5 minute heats with a 7 minute main. Thats 17 minutes. 3 minutes less and home an hour or 2 earlier. It can be argued either way. Some guys like 3 rounds and getting home late while others would not be able to come race/have to leave before their main because they have to work in the morning etc.

I think your idea is cool and could work but its so much different from what is done now it could easily go bad.

 

 

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 Posted: Jul-09-2012 09:57PM
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...what?

 Posted: Jul-09-2012 09:40PM
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Why is it too confusing? Just because we play with toy cars doesn't mean we're morons.

We are already down to two quals and a main at every track around. What's next, 1 qual? Start the race day an hour earlier. We are already there for most of the day/night anyhow. I would be willing to pay an extra $5 entry to get a 3rd round. The norm used to be 3 rounds everywhere, don't understand why it's accepted to cut back track time 25% for the same entry fee. And this isn't aimed at delta, all tracks are doing it.

I've been to races where there is plenty of time to run a third round and an hour long break was taken before the mains instead. I don't get it.

As you said there's no way to run heads up starts fairly with only two rounds. Someone needs to take the initiative and think outside the box. At least give it a try.

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 Posted: Jul-09-2012 09:04PM
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Kevin I think thats way too confusing. Would also make the program last a while longer.

 

 

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 Posted: Jul-09-2012 08:50PM
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I'm down for that Kevin that would defiantly make things interesting

 

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 Posted: Jul-09-2012 08:03PM
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Doesn't matter to me how we start, the fast guys are still going to be in the A main.

Hopper and I talked not too long ago about options to the normal race program. The one I like is to have a 3 lap qual round for each class. Start like ifmar at your leisure, run 3 laps, and pull your car. Mains are gridded by single fast lap. Main 1 are top 10 fast laps, main 2 are next 10 fast laps. Then we run triple A mains for qual points. Tq gets 1 point, on down to 20th gets 20 points. Resort after each round. If you have a crappy run in the first round you'll get dropped to main 2 for 2nd round and have to deal with more traffic, but a good run will bump you back to main 1 for the third round. And you could still get tq for the round running in main 2. So everybody has a chance to win the overall no matter what main you are in. Best 2 of 3 runs get points with your worst round dropped. That way we get 3 rounds of heads up starts in a RACE. Will make it more exciting for racers and spectators. I'm sure the computer can be set up to figure it all out. Shouldn't take much longer than what we currently do if done efficiently.

And Big J will have a chance to make A1 because he's the king on one lap Banzai runs. Lol.

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 Posted: Jul-09-2012 07:57PM
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Quiet Todd! No one asked you. Oh wait I guess I did.... Never mind

 Posted: Jul-09-2012 07:51PM
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Keep it they way it's been . Keep up the good work deltaIf anything resort the heats . Fastest with the fastest , slowest with the slowest , it will keep the sportsman out of pro or expert classes.

 

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 Posted: Jul-09-2012 06:36PM
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@ delta the computer sorts the heats. Thx

 

 

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 Posted: Jul-09-2012 05:34PM
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Yea Dharris and the computer probably sorted the HEATS TOO . That Crap is getting OLD. That is my opinion though it happened at cap city now I see the same thing going on else where .LET THE COMPUTER SORT THE HEATS . This has been discussed by some lately ..

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 Posted: Jul-09-2012 05:23PM
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I prefer the heads up start because that truly makes it a race. after all, that's why we came there in the first place. In a large sanctioned race,maybe IFMAR is the way to go,but in normal club racing,the heads up start gives more practice for starting a main in a clean manner, and also helps you to know where you stand as far as faster cars coming up to lap you. if heats contain 6 cars,everyone gets a front row start. if more cars are entered it will probably work itself out. also it may help to speed up the program and maybe allow a 3rd round to be run. so there's my opinion. thats how it was when we wound up the spring in the car and drove with a string.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             PHANTOM RACING

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 Posted: Jul-09-2012 11:53AM
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I guess most guys have jobs and we will get some more opinions as the day goes on. The front and back start thing has always seems to be the first question when talking about this.

Back in the good ol days, we just had smaller heats (no more than 6 cars) and ran until 2:00am with 17 heats on a Wed night. And all the racers stayed till the end to get a COOL plaque to put on there tool box! Ahh the good ol days! That was a blast! But I am sure no one wants to have twice as many heats and extend the days even longer. Plus my Mom wont let me play that late anymore.

Not sure if this would work in rookie. But did we not also used to have the fast qualifers move to the back after there heats. Theroy was to let the slower guys get a good start and the faster guys have the skills to get back up front without driving thru the field?

One of the most important thing I learned when I got into the sport is that RARELY especially in off road is the race won in the first corner!

 Posted: Jul-09-2012 09:46AM
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Yes but if you start in the middle both times and never get a shot at starting up front its kinda unfair I think. Either way if racing heads up starting last is more fun than ifmar starts who cares?

 

 

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 Posted: Jul-09-2012 09:43AM
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We are racing 1/10 offroad this Saturday starting @6pm!!!

 

 

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 Posted: Jul-09-2012 09:43AM
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Just run inverted heats, if your up front in the first then your in the back on second.

 

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 Posted: Jul-09-2012 09:35AM
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Ho is all going from Delta to the Summer Nationals in Chico?

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 Posted: Jul-09-2012 09:33AM
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I have been watching that thread and am also wondering what our racers would like to see. I can't recall anyone asking us to run heads up recently but if the racers want it I don't see any harm in giving it a shot. It should be fun. Only thing is that its hard to make it fair. The guy starting up front has a huge advantage over the guy starting last. If you invert then the guy stuck starting 5th both times will get screwed both times. I guess the fastest 10 will make it into the main either way

 

 

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 Posted: Jul-09-2012 09:33AM
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I agree with Doug. But.... My bigger gripe is all the emphasis is placed on moving over for a race leader. I always do that unless they are passing me on the same lap. If race directors ar going to focuson announcing that a leader is coming up on you then call rough driving and penalize those that are guilty of it. If rough aggressive driving is called a few times it will stop. I'm sick of constantly moving up only to get taken out by an aggressive driver. I was rised that if you accidentally run up on a car that you stop and go. I very rarely see this. It's really on race director to call it. Especially if your going to teach the novices about race etiquette. Look I want to win as much as any one, but let's be fair. If we call on let's call the other.

The other is tun marshalling. Yes if you didn't wreck you wouldn't need them. But lately we have seen one of the worst turn marshaling I've ever seen lately. Last weekend a driver got off track and no one picked his car up cause they were watching te race of their area. The driver got frustrated and walked off driver stand. we also have kids turn marshalling races. There should be adults. Other tracks this a rule. Parents or and adult must turn Marshall for their child. Racers should also not have to be reminded constantly tht they need to be out there. Again start penalizing this and it will stop. If the director needs volunteers volunteer. All spots need to be covered.

Let's get back to the basics.

 

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 Posted: Jul-09-2012 09:06AM
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Ok they are having a major debate over IFMAR vs Heads up starts at Norcal. I feel this will make racers improve by allowing them to RACE each other more. Others belive this increase the hacking.

What is the opinion of the Delta Racers? My Vote would be for Heads Up.

 Posted: Jul-09-2012 09:00AM
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Thanks Hopper, not a big deal just didnt have anything else to bitch about. Lol

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