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 Posted: Oct-19-2016 03:49AM
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MR. BADBOYEEEE. IF YOU COME TO OUR RACES DISCUSS YOUR CONCERN TO THE RACE DIRECTOR AT THE GIVEN EVENT, YOUR A GOOD RACER AND WE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS..SEE YA

 Posted: Oct-18-2016 07:11AM
Fix
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Hollywood,

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollywood11359
Any Suggestions besides selling the car and spending loads of time to practice during the week?
I have video of the USGT race from 7-Aug. Did you run that day? Which car is yours? I'm not one of the fast guys, but I'd be happy to discuss the challenges I was having and what I did to overcome them.

Are you going to be at the club meeting tonight? If so, bring your car.

-Frank

 Posted: Oct-17-2016 07:44PM
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I have to say, the Intent of the USGT class is not to exclude anyone. Maybe it's the groundpounders intent to hold it as a SPORTSMAN class ,but it is indeed a SCALE class like F1 is. Experts and Sportsman should be encouraged to run it. As far as allowing a USGT spec'd car to run 17.5, if that is the rules to not allow it,then that's that.

 
 Posted: Oct-17-2016 07:00PM
Fix
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Badboy,
Quote:
Originally Posted by Badboy

Sherman
There is no rule against running a slower car in a faster class  in ROAR or in GP rules for 2016. Rules for the class limit the upper end.

If that's the criteria running a slower motor, heavier car and inferior tires shouldn't be a problem and since this is a fun club race who should care?  


-The experts in 17.5 should care that a slower car that doesn't meet the specs of the class is going to increase traffic and hamper their performance.

I have one car and having another paid entry for the club would be good. Why would anyone complain about that? why would you turn away a racer? 


-No one wants to see entries drop. But consider that YOUR actions could be killing entries. You have the expert skills to be competitive in 17.5, but you run in USGT to dominate the sportsman.  Then you run your USGT car in 17.5 and brag about how your "inferior" setup finished in the top 3. All the while, you're getting extra laps/practice with your USGT car.

Heck, when I type it out like that, I want to run in both classes with my USGT car, too! I think I'll do that...and encourage all USGT drivers to do the same at the next race. The 17.5 field is going to be HUGE!!! Think of all the extra entries we're going have. It's going to be a record race day!

If you are saying it doesnt meet spec..then what do you say when a racer shows up with a $100 motor and $100 batteries vs a $50 motor and $50 battery?  who is in spec?

-Hmm...is it a 17.5 motor? Yep. Spec. Is it a ROAR approved 2S lipo? Yep. Spec. Is it a blinky "spec" ESC? Yep. Spec. Spec tire? Yep. Spec.   Price doesn't factor into spec.

If you want me to swap my motor tires and body to the faster spec i can do that but there is no time to do so the way the heats are setup.

Besdies I  think runnng a usgt spec car in 17.5 would make it even for sprortsman using a 17.5 car.


-There is absolutely nothing wrong with a Sportsman running in 17.5. I ran it last season. I didn't do well because my setup wasn't there (not to mention my chassis, motor, and battery were well short of competitive). So I voluntarily dropped down to USGT. Even then, it took 5 races and a lot of practice to find the setup.


Once I found the setup, it was fun to race again. But then I noticed the CLEAR divide between the Expert and Sportsman racers in the class. It's the top 4/5 and then there's everyone else. There are literally two races taking place. Why not make a legit two races by dividing the class into Sportsman and Expert?

-Frank

 Posted: Oct-17-2016 06:22PM
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GROUNDPOUNDERS IT IS THAT TIME OF MONTH...MEETING TOMORROW NIGHT AT ROUND TABLE PIZZA, RAILYS SHOPING CENTER ROHNERT PARK, 7:30 TALK ABOUT RACING ,RULES AND OUR FINAL YEAR ENDING NIGHT RACE SEE YA THERE

 Posted: Oct-17-2016 04:51PM
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I just kind of glossed over the discussion but some reasons why you can't (shouldn't be allowed to, anyway) run a USGT or VTA car in a "Normal" 17.5 Sedan class.

  1. Body.  USGT and VTA classes both run bodies that are specifically NOT on the ROAR T2 Touring car Body Approval list.  Many are actually 200mm wide instead of the ROAR mandated 190mm.
  2. Motor. 17.5 Sedan is called this for a reason. Though I don't know many race directors that would not allow someone to motor down if they want.  I'd allow it at our place.  Nobody is going to win 17.5 Sedan with a 21.5 at our track.  Unless Art, Blake and about 5 other guys all crash out and break their cars or something. HAHA
  3. Tires.  Most USGT and all VTA cars use wider than 24mm wheels.  I haven't checked but I think USGT tires could actually be used in ROAR touring classes when mounted on 24mm wheels but you'd be way hella slower than running normal Sedan tires.
Basically Badboy, changing a body and tires sounds pretty doable. Obviously GP club management would have the final say.

 Posted: Oct-17-2016 11:33AM
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Originally Posted by shermanator4
BOY WHAT HAPPENED TO JUST FOLLOWING RULES AND HAVING FUN ? WE HAVE CLASSES THAT HAVE SPACIFIC RULES-BODYS-MOTORS-BATTERYS-TIRES AND CHASSIS, IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THEM YOU DO NOT RACE THEM ,AT THE GROUNDPOUNDERS RACES WE RACE BY THE RULES...TO TRY TO RACE AT A EVEN PLAYING FIELD. SO BADBOY NO IS THE ANSWER!!!...HOLLYWOOD CHECK OUT WHAT THE GO FAST GUYS ARE DOING (TIRES-GEARING-SHOCKS-BATTERY-MOTOR-SPEED CONTROLS) TALK TO THEM GET SOME ADVICE ,ALSO WHILE ON THE TRACK HOLD YOUR LINE THEY WILL PASS YOU WHEN IT`S RIGHT,KEEP TRYING YOU WILL GET BETTER, IF THIS R/C RACING WAS EASY GRANDMA WOULD BE DOING IT.I HAVE BEEN RACING FOR 20 YEARS AND I STILL CAN NOT DRIVE THEM BUT I DO HAVE LOTS OF FUN BUILDING THEM AND RACING THEM.........ON ANOTHER NOTE THE HOLLOWEEN RACE WILL BE HERE SOON. IT WILL START IN THE AFTERNOON AND WE RACE ALL THE WAY INTO THE NIGHT, MORE NEWS TO COME

Sherman
There is no rule against running a slower car in a faster class  in ROAR or in GP rules for 2016. Rules for the class limit the upper end.

If that's the criteria running a slower motor, heavier car and inferior tires shouldn't be a problem and since this is a fun club race who should care?  

I have one car and having another paid entry for the club would be good. Why would anyone complain about that? why would you turn away a racer? 
If you are saying it doesnt meet spec..then what do you say when a racer shows up with a $100 motor and $100 batteries vs a $50 motor and $50 battery?  who is in spec?

If you want me to swap my motor tires and body to the faster spec i can do that but there is no time to do so the way the heats are setup.

Besdies I  think runnng a usgt spec car in 17.5 would make it even for sprortsman using a 17.5 car.



Badboy.
 Posted: Oct-15-2016 03:51PM
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BOY WHAT HAPPENED TO JUST FOLLOWING RULES AND HAVING FUN ? WE HAVE CLASSES THAT HAVE SPACIFIC RULES-BODYS-MOTORS-BATTERYS-TIRES AND CHASSIS, IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THEM YOU DO NOT RACE THEM ,AT THE GROUNDPOUNDERS RACES WE RACE BY THE RULES...TO TRY TO RACE AT A EVEN PLAYING FIELD. SO BADBOY NO IS THE ANSWER!!!...HOLLYWOOD CHECK OUT WHAT THE GO FAST GUYS ARE DOING (TIRES-GEARING-SHOCKS-BATTERY-MOTOR-SPEED CONTROLS) TALK TO THEM GET SOME ADVICE ,ALSO WHILE ON THE TRACK HOLD YOUR LINE THEY WILL PASS YOU WHEN IT`S RIGHT,KEEP TRYING YOU WILL GET BETTER, IF THIS R/C RACING WAS EASY GRANDMA WOULD BE DOING IT.I HAVE BEEN RACING FOR 20 YEARS AND I STILL CAN NOT DRIVE THEM BUT I DO HAVE LOTS OF FUN BUILDING THEM AND RACING THEM.........ON ANOTHER NOTE THE HOLLOWEEN RACE WILL BE HERE SOON. IT WILL START IN THE AFTERNOON AND WE RACE ALL THE WAY INTO THE NIGHT, MORE NEWS TO COME

 Posted: Oct-14-2016 08:15PM
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i agree that it would be better to race with other drivers of the same skill level than getting smoked by an expert.it seems the slower classes like vta and usgt have as many experts in them than 17.5 tc.maybe something to think about for future races

 Posted: Oct-14-2016 07:47PM
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I personally do have a USGT car, however I do not run it because I am intimidated by the other racers that go flying by me and I spend more time trying to get out of there way to keep from getting my car destroyed and not mess them up.

 I feel that I will never be able to get better having to do that the entire race. I wish that having a sedan would be nice to run after all the money I have put in the car. So I am at a delima.... sell the car or just keep it till they get a intermediate class. I do run 10.5 oval cup and also 13.5 Nationwide, but very much a ROOKIE when it comes to on road. Any Suggestions besides selling the car and spending loads of time to practice during the week?
I would hope there was a intermediate class that didn't have a bunch of fast guys to have to pull over for. Just cause you can drive oval does not mean that you are a on road expert. Two different worlds. You go a opposite direction and go right and left and have to figure out braking etc, besides car set up.

 Posted: Oct-14-2016 07:17PM
Fix
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Badboy,

Why do you want to run your USGT car in 17.5?

I vaguely recall the first race an USGT car was permitted in 17.5. Something about the 17.5 car broke at the last minute, so the race director approved the substitution.

But then, I noticed it continuing for several of the following races. I found that confusing for many reasons. Did the 17.5 car break at the last minute every time? I doubt it. As we've seen, the two cars are very close in lap times, one giving up top speed for better acceleration out of the corners. That shouldn't give cause for allowing them to run together except in the rare circumstance above. Just out of curiosity, are you cutting the weight and changing the tire?

I believe the intent of the two classes is to separate intermediate and advance drivers allowing for closer competition. I would love to see that intent respected. If you have the talent to be competitive in 17.5, you have no business in USGT. As of now, USGT is the only class up from Novice for sedan drivers...drivers still mastering tuning, racing lines, vehicle control; who may not be ready to purchase the latest Yokomo chassis, or three new batteries every season.

I feel similar about other classes as well. Slash vs. Rally; Oval Truck vs. Spec vs. Cup; for example.

Now, USGT is a very popular class, mostly thanks (I think) to the awesome selection of bodies and greater speed vs. VTA. As such, it has attracted sportsman and expert drivers alike. Perhaps we need to separate the class accordingly and create two levels of USGT. Some might argue that that is the function of A & B mains. I disagree because, as we all know, the heats are just as much of a race as the mains. Wouldn't be great if those were as close and exciting too.

Ahh...maybe I'm an idealist. Food for thought for the next club meeting, anyway.

-Frank

 Posted: Oct-14-2016 03:59PM
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This weekends race is being cancelled due to the weather forecasted for Sunday. We will not be rescheduling this race since we will be racing on 10/29. Thanks

 Posted: Oct-13-2016 08:53AM
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okay, keeping my fingers crossed for no rain!

 Posted: Oct-13-2016 08:46AM
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IF WE DO RACE I AM READY. I REALLY WANT TO SEE HOW THE TRACTION WILL BE..SEE YA THERE I HOPE!!

 Posted: Oct-13-2016 08:42AM
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yep'... bummer as I was able to get this Sunday off from wife + kid duty.
I was also hoping to get my 4th race in to qualify for a few classes ...guess not this year.  :(

 Posted: Oct-13-2016 08:30AM
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forecast looks really bad

 Posted: Oct-12-2016 03:42AM
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uh. I do not know.

 Posted: Oct-11-2016 10:21AM
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Shermanator

Is it correct that I cannot run a 21.5 USGT car in 17.5 tc as a second class?


Badboy.
 Posted: Oct-10-2016 08:34AM
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yes the weather is not on our side, who do we have to tow the tailer??? should we justplan for our big halloween race?also Frank thet sounds like a possiablity to race the oval program then change track to on-road. it will take extre time and at this time of the year time is not on our side we would not finish till dark, we can talk it over our winter brake or during our meetings.

 Posted: Oct-09-2016 08:36PM
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So far, The forecast isn't looking good for this weekend either!

Bryce

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